Ahmed
I will continue to refer to God as Jehovah. The allah of the Koran is very different from the Jehovah of scripture. I know Jehovah exists, I have seen no reason to believe allah exists. I have also seen no reason to believe allah is Jehovah.
What incorrect meanings did I say?
To ask someone to examine their faith you must be willing to examine your own. I have asked you to explain… you will not. I have read from the Koran, and I asked you some very specific questions…
You have only attempted to answer one. The question of Aisha. Your answer could be condensed to say, everybody else does this (55 year old men marrying 6 year old girls into an already huge harem) so it was ok for Muhammad to do so. By extension, it is also desirable for me to do so.
If the Koran is the final revelation as you assert…
Did Muhammad die cursing Christians and Jews or not? He gave us the words behind the Koran. It is a simple question. Answer it.
The Koran teaches us to follow Muhammad as the example… Should I, at 51, marry a six year old girl to complete my old age? It is a simple question. Answer it.
Should the laws against polygamy and child molesting be changed to accommodate Islam if you gain control of our country? IE Should the age of sexual consent be lowered to 9? It is a simple question. Answer it.
Is a woman so mentally deficient that it takes two of them to equal the word of a man or not? It is a simple question. Answer it.
Is hell mostly for women not grateful to their husbands or not? It is a simple question. Answer it.
Sex slaves are just as valid today as they were then. Do you believe this? It is a simple question. answer it.
Beating and banning your wife to a room of isolation… punishing at will, is just as valid today as it was then. Do you believe this? It is a simple question, answer it.
Can the word of your god be changed or not? It is a simple question, answer it.
Does have the ability to have a son or not? It is a simple question, answer it.
Does the Koran justify killing people individually or collectively because of their beliefs or not?
It is a simple question. Answer it.
Are Christians a disease?
If the Koran is from God. . .
Why do so many of its followers hide what it says?
Jerry Blount
Pleasant Valley church of Christ
3317 Amidon rd.
Wichita Kansas, 67204
3163204321
Ps. Additional food for thought. The horrible plight of women in Islamic countries is easily understood in the light of the attitude taught by islam.
In the Islamic publication "You Ask and Islam Answers", page 94, Abdul Mushtahiri says, "If admonishing and sexual desertion fail to bring forth results and the woman is of a cold and stubborn type, the Quran bestows on man the right to straighten her out by way of punishment and beating provided he does not break her bones nor shed blood. Many a wife belongs to this querulous type and requires this sort of punishment to bring her to her senses." (Quoted from “Beyond the Veil”, p79.
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[Heavens_People_Of_Truth_and_Faith] Re: IS THE BIBLE GODS WORD? FIFTY THOUSAND
ERRORS
I see that you need some time to read the Quraan
before your read ask Allah to guide you to the truth
read as a reader not mistake searcher, feel its greet meanings and teachings
after you take your time of reading you can fairly judge and answer the Question
Is the Quraan last message from Allah ?
if your answer still no
so there is no body can help you, except your self
but at least don't say liars, don't change the correct meanings, don't block people from knowing the Quraan and think about the Hell and the day when you stand of Allah and he will ask you about those liars
I ask Allah to guide me and you and all others to the truth
Salam
Jerry Blount
<jerry@eldorable.
Ahmed
I received your email attacking the Bible.
You know…there will always be folks that will try to further their own ends by muddying up the waters and obscuring the truth. The people you quote, the “Jehovah’s witnesses” actually fulfill, quite literally, a prophecy made by the Apostle Peter.
2 Peter 2
1. But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
2. And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.
3. And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.
In fact don’t you seek to merchandise through obscuring the true Islam?
Shouldn’t allah be angry when folks like you hide part of his teachings?
In fact these folks are quite like the Muslims who claim Muhammad taught peace and tolerance aren’t they?
They distort the truth massively! Shouldn’t allah be angry with them?
In fact these folks are like the Muslims who claim that Muhammad had respect for women aren’t they?
They distort the truth massively. Shouldn’t allah be angry with them?
Would you please explain this passage to us?
When Muhammad saw hell…
Then I saw the (Hell) Fire, and I have
never before, seen such a horrible sight as that, and I saw that the majority of
its dwellers were women." The people asked, "O Allah's Apostle! What is the
reason for that?" He replied, "Because of their ungratefulness.
Ahmed tell us about the this “revelation from Allah!”
Doesn’t it cause western, Christian women to get “out of place” when you hide this from them?
Let’s get down to business and you explain this blatant mistake in the Koran…
39:4
Had Allah
wished to take to
Himself a son,
He could have
chosen whom He pleased out of those whom He doth create:
but Glory be to Him!
(He is above such things.)
He is Allah, the One, the Irresistible. (Yusuf Ali)
If Allah had
willed to choose a son,
He
could have chosen what He would of that which He hath created.
Be
He Glorified! He is Allah, the One, the Absolute. (Pickthall)
6:101
Wonderful
Originator of the heavens and the earth;
How can He have a son when He has no
consort?
He created all things, and He hath full knowledge of all
things.
For all your rhetoric, you know that we could come up with a huge list and title it
50,000 errors in the Koran!
Does Allah not know whether he can have a son or not??? Or does Muhammad not know?
How about….
Sura 6:115 ‘The words of the Lord are perfect in truth and justice; there is NONE who can change His words."
Sura 6:34 None can change the words of God;
Sura 10:64 There is no changing the words of God; that is the mighty triumph.
But wait ! ! !
2:106 And for whatever verse we abrogate and cast into oblivion We bring a better or the like of it; knowest thou not that God is powerful over everything?
16:101 And when We exchange a verse in
place of another verse --and God knows very well what He is sending down --they
say, 'Thou art a mere forger!'
Nay, but the most of them have no
knowledge.
Can the word of your god change or not?
For the ignorant to make the claim you have made is ignorance…
You are obviously knowledgeable…
For you it is deceit!
They gathered up all the variable readings of the Koran and threatened to kill anyone who kept them didn’t they?
While back a guy published one of the known variants of the Koran… “They” issued a death warrant and have been trying to kill him ever since. Have they killed him yet? (Satanic verses)
Now, I have taken issue with something you have presented!
Jerry Blount
Pleasant Valley church of Christ
3317 Amidon rd.
Wichita Kansas, 67204
3163204321
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[Heavens_People_
FIFTY THOUSAND ERRORS (?)
The Jehovah's Witnesses in their "AWAKE!" Magazine dated 8 September, 1957,
carried this startling headline — "50000
ERRORS IN THE BIBLE?" (See below for the reproduction)
While I was still formulating the theme of this booklet, I heard a knock at my door one Sunday morning. I opened the door. A European gentleman stood there, grinning broadly. "Good morning'" he said. "Good morning" I replied. He was offering me his "Awake" and "Watchtower" magazines. Yes, a Jehovah's Witness! If a few had knocked at your door previously, you will recognize them immediately. The most supercilious lot of people who ever knocked at people's doors! I invited him in.
As soon as he settled down, I produced the full reproduction of what you see below. Pointing to the monograph

at
the top of the page, I asked, "Is this your's?" He readily recognised his own. I
said, "It says: 50 000 Errors in the Bible, is it true?" "What's that!" he
exclaimed. I repeated, "I said, that it says, that there are 50 000 errors in
your Bible." "Where did you get that?" He asked. (This was published 23 years
ago, when he was perhaps a little nipper) I said, "Leave the fancy talk aside —
is this your's?" pointing again to the monograph — "Awake!" He said, "Can I have a look?" "Of
course," I said. I handed him the page. He started perusing. They (the Jehovah's
Witnesses) are trained. They attend classes five times a week in their "Kingdom
Halls." Naturally, they are the fittest missionaries among the thousand -and -
one - sects - and - denominations of Christendom. They are taught that when
cornered, do not commit yourself to anything, do not open your mouths. Wait for
the Holy Ghost to inspire you with what to say.

* To read the complete article, click here
I silently kept watching him, while he browsed the page. Suddenly he looked up. He had found it. The "Holy Ghost" had tickled him. He began, "The article says that "most of those errors have been eliminated." I asked "If MOST are eliminated, how many remain out of 50000? 5000? 500? 50? Even if 50 remain, do you attribute those errors to God?" He was speechless. He excused himself by suggesting that he will come again with some senior member of his Church. That will be the day!
If I had this booklet ready, I would have offered him, saying — "I would like to do you a favour, give me your name and address, and your telephone number. I will lend you this booklet — IS THE BIBLE GOD'S WORD?" for 90 days. I want a written reply!" If you do this, And a few other Muslims do the same. They and the other missionaries will never darken your doors again. I believe that this publication will prove the most effective talisman to date. Insha-Allah!
This "cult" of Jehovah's Witnesses which is so strong in its condemnation of the orthodox Trinitarians, for playing with the "Word of God," is itself playing the same game of semantic gymnastics. In the article under review — "50000 ERRORS IN THE BIBLE?" — they say: "there are probably 50 000 errors . . . errors that have crept into the Bible text . . . 50000 such serious (?) errors… most of those so-called errors... as a whole the Bible is accurate." (?)
We do not have the time and space to go into the tens of thousands of — grave or minor — defects that the authors of the Revised Standard Version (RSV) have attempted to revise. We leave that privilege to the Christian scholars of the Bible. Here I will endeavour to cast just a cursory glance at a "half-a-dozen" or so of those "minor" changes.
1. "Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign: Behold, a VIRGIN shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel."
(Isaiah 7:14 - AV)
The indispensable "VIRGIN" in the above verse has now been replaced in the RSV with the phrase "a young woman," which is the correct translation of the Hebrew word almah. Almah is the word which has occurred all along in the Hebrew text and NOT bethulah which means VIRGIN. This correction is only to be found in the English language translation, as the RSV is only published in this tongue. For the African and the Afrikaner, the Arab and the Zulu, in fact, in the 1 500 other languages of the world, Christians are made to continue to swallow the misnomer "VIRGIN."
BEGOTTEN, NOT MADE
"Jesus is the only begotten son of God, begotten not made," is an adjunct of the orthodox catechism, leaning for support on the following:
2. For God so loved the world, that he gave his only BEGOTTEN son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."
(John 3:16 - AV)
No priest worth his cloth would fail to quote "the only BEGOTTEN of the Father!" when preaching to a prospective convert. But this fabrication — "BEGOTTEN" — has now been unceremoniously excised by the Bible Revisers, without a word of excuse. They are as silent as church-mice and would not draw the reader's attention to their furtive excision. This blasphemous word "BEGOTTEN" was another of the many such interpolations in the "Holy Bible." God Almighty condemned this blasphemy in the strongest terms soon after its innovation. He did not wait for 2000 years for Bible scholars to reveal the fraud.

The Muslim World should congratulate the "Fifty cooperating denominations" of Christendom and their Brains Trust the "Thirty-two scholars of the highest eminence" for bringing their Holy Bible a degree nearer to the Qur-anic truth.

"CHRISTIAN
MES-A-MATHICS"
3. "For there are three that bear
record in heaven, the FATHER,
the WORD, and the HOLY GHOST: and these
three are one."
1st Epistle of John 5:7 - AV
This verse is the closest approximation to what the Christians call their Holy Trinity in the encyclopaedia called the BIBLE. This key-stone of the Christian faith has also been scrapped from the RSV without even a semblance of explanation. It has been a pious fraud all along and well-deservedly has it been expunged in the RSV for the English-speaking people. But for the 1499 remaining language groups of the world who read the Christian concoctions in their mother tongues, the fraud remains. These people will never know the truth until the Day of Judgement. However, we Muslims must again congratulate the galaxy of D.D.’s who have been honest enough to eliminate another lie from the English (RSV) Bible, thus bringing their Holy Book yet another step closer to the teachings of Islam. For the Holy Qur'an says:

* Not one in a trinity. Not one in a trinity.
THE ASCENSION
One of the most serious of those "grave defects" which the authors of the RSV had tried to rectify concerned the Ascension of Christ. There have been only two references in the Canonical Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and of John to the most stupendous event in Christianity — OF JESUS BEING TAKEN UP INTO HEAVEN. These two references were obtained in every Bible in every language, prior to 1952, when the RSV first appeared. These were:
4a. "So then the Lord Jesus, after he had spoken to them, was TAKEN UP INTO HEAVEN, and sat down at the right hand of God."
(Mark 16:19)
4b. "While he blessed them, he parted from them, and was CARRIED UP INTO HEAVEN."
(Luke 24:51)
Now please look at the image below, which is a photo copy where the quotation 4a above ought to appear. You will be shocked to note that Mark 16 ends at verse 8, and after an embarrassing expanse of blank space the missing verses appear in "small print" as a footnote at the bottom of the page. If you can lay your hands on a RSV 1952, you will find the last six words of 4b above, i.e. "AND WAS CARRIED UP INTO HEAVEN" replaced by a tiny "a" to tell you to see the footnote if you please, where you will find these missing words. Every honest Christian has to admit that he does not consider any footnote in any Bible as the word of God. Why should the paid servants of Christianity consign the mightiest miracle of their religion to a mere footnote?

From the Chart — "The Origin and Growth of the English Bible" — appearing below, you will note that all the Biblical "Versions" prior to the Revised Version of 1881 were dependent upon the ANCIENT COPIES — those dating only five or six hundred years after Jesus. The Revisers of the RSV 1952, were the first Bible scholars who were able to tap the "MOST Ancient Copies" fully, dating three and four centuries after Christ. We agree that the closer to the source the more authentic is the document. Naturally "MOST" Ancient deserves credence more than mere "ANCIENT." But not finding a word about Jesus being "taken up" or "carried up" into heaven in the MOST ANCIENT manuscripts, the Christian fathers expurgated those references from the RSV 1952.

THE DONKEY CIRCUS
The above facts are a staggering confession by Christendom that the "inspired" authors of the Canonical Gospels did not record a single word about the ASCENSION of Jesus- Yet these "inspired" authors were unanimous in recording that their Lord and Saviour rode a donkey into Jerusalem as his mission drew to a close.
|
". . . and they sat him thereon." (The Donkey) (Matt. 21:7) |
". . . and he sat upon him." (The Donkey) (Mark 11:7) |
|
". . . and they set Jesus Thereon." (The Donkey) (Luke 19:35) |
". . . Jesus ... sat thereon:" (The Donkey) (John 12:14) |
Could God Almighty have been the author of this incongruous situation — going out of His Way to see that all the Gospel writers did not miss their footing recording of His "son's" donkey-ride into the Holy City — and yet "inspiring" them to black-out the news about His "son's" heavenly flight on the wings of angels?
NOT FOR LONG!
The hot-gospellers and the Bible-thumpers were too slow in catching the Joke. By the time they realised that the corner-stone of their preaching — THE ASCENSION OF JESUS — had been undermined as a result of Christian Biblical erudition, the publishers of the RSV had already raked in a net profit of 15 000 000 dollars! (Fifteen Million). The propagandists made a big hue and cry, and with the backing of two denominational committees out of the fifty, forced the Publishers to re-incorporate the interpolations into the "INSPIRED" Word of God in every new publication of the RSV after 1952, the expunged portion was "RESTORED TO THE TEXT."
It is an old, old game. The Jews and the Christians have been editing their "Book of God" from its very inception. The difference between them and the ancient forgerers is that the ancient forgers did not know the art of writing "prefaces" and "footnotes", otherwise they too would have told us as clearly as our modern heroes have about their tampering, and their glib excuses for transmuting forged currency into glittering gold.
"MANY PROPOSALS FOR MODIFICATION WERE SUBMITTED TO THE COMMITTEE BY INDIVIDUALS AND BY TWO DENOMINATIONAL COMMITTEES ALL OF THESE WERE GIVEN CAREFUL ATTENTION BY THE COMMITTEE.
"TWO PASSAGES, THE I LONGER ENDING OF
MARK (16:9-20) . . . AND LUKE 24:51 ARE
RESTORED TO THE TEXT."
(Preface — Collins' pages vi and vii)
"Why 'restored'"? Because they had been previously expunged! Why had the references to the Ascension expunged in the first place? The MOST Ancient manuscripts had no references to the Ascension at all. They were interpolations similar to 1 John 5:7 about the Trinity. (Refer to the earlier example 3). Why eliminate one and re-instate the other? Do not be surprised! By the time you lay your hands on a RSV, the "Committee" might also have decided to expunge the whole of their invaluable Preface. The Jehovah's Witnesses have already eliminated 27 revealing pages of their FOREWORD to their "New World Translation of the CHRISTIAN GREEK SCRIPTURES," (this is their way of saying — New Testament).
ALLAH IN THE CHRISTIAN BIBLE
The Rev. C. I. Scofield, D. D. with a team of 8 Consulting Editors, also all D.D.’s in the "Scofield Reference Bible" thought it appropriate to spell the Hebrew word "Elah" (meaning God) alternatively as "Alah" The Christians had thus swallowed the camel — they seemed to have accepted at last that the name of God is Allah — but were still straining at the gnat by spelling Allah with one "L"! (Photographic reproduction of the Bible page showing the word "ALAH" is preserved here for posterity below). References were made in public lectures to this fact by the author of this booklet. Believe me, the subsequent "Scofield Reference Bible" has retained word for word the whole commentary of Genesis 1:1, but has, by a clever sleight-of-hand, blotted out the word "Alah" altogether. There is not even a gap where the word "Alah" once used to be. 1 This is in the Bible of the orthodox! One is hard pressed to keep up with their Jugglery.
1. See "WHAT IS HIS NAME" for more information on this Biblical omission of the word Allah. Under the section of "Now you see it, now you don’t".

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